How about posting "Scam Alerts"

To my untrained eye, there has been an uptick in scammers posting very questionable items for auction lately. I noted an offer of Scott #197 starting at $100 from a seller in the Czech Republic. They even acknowledge in the description that only 30 copies exist. This auction ends today at about 3:30 Eastern time. Wow, a $40,000 stamp starting at $100! My thought is that there should be a place in this forum to warn others about such obvious quackery. Of course that would require the cooperation of Hipstamp, whose sensibilities probably resemble those of Facebook. i.e. what's good for the bottom line is what;s good for us.Does anyone see any merit in this, or is it a waste of time?
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  • There is a liability issue here - the one who makes that decision better be certain. It also opens up the possibility of retaliatory action.
  • Hi Mike,

    Thanks for posting. If you notice anything you think might potentially be a scam, please feel free to use the “Report Abuse” button on the listing page or send us a message with the link to support@hipecommmerce.com and we will gladly review.

    Have a great day!
  • edited October 2021 2 LikesVote Down
    It is unquestionably NOT a 197, the design is wrong. this stamp is the reengraved version (4 lines at left, dot in the margin in front of Jefferson's nose), so YES I'm 100% certain it is "mis-identified". The reengraved is Scott Design A49b, as is this example. To qualify for the 197 it must be A49a (regular design with secret mark). This fails epically on all counts.

    The other clue on this one is, it is a used example. NONE of the special printings from 1880 are postally used.
  • And this is what a real 197 looks like for anyone wondering. The 209 (Misidentified) is on the right.



    197 v 209 Compare
  • It has a pencil mark in the back.
  • edited October 2021 0 LikesVote Down
    Redacted...
  • There is also this $17,000 GEM...

    https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/united-states-martha-washington-prof-10-top-and-10-bottom/41648444

    Reported this 2 days ago, no idea why it's still there.
    But hey, perf 10 and top AND bottom... that's got to be rare.

    (Hey buddy, here's a clue... they made a PERF 10 version of this called the 585 since your photo shows perf 10 on all sides... and not that there is a printers waste version of this in perf 10 at top or bottom either... this is a 65c stamp. Seller has 0 feedback.
  • I checked some of his 11 other items: "full gum with a slight area where a hinge was."

    I want to shrug my shoulders, roll my eyes and ask, "where do these people come from?" But of course I know. They come from that never-never world of reality TV where folks buy abandoned storage rooms and then gush over all the great stuff they can resell. I actually saw this on youtube: "I saw a stamp just like this on Ebay for $5000, and here's a whole box of them! We could have a half million dollars here!" Dah, I'm sorry, I'm ranting.
  • Rant away Phil, rant away.
    100% in agreement with you. I must report 10+ items a day and half a dozen sellers a week... to their credit, Hipstamp have removed every single item one I've reported and 9 out of 10 sellers... I just want a fair market. Not one where people are cheated and misled. It's the biggest enemy against this industry, and most seem to have a "oh well, buyer beware" attitude toward it.
  • Phil, Don't you know that the inexpensive variety is only for us, the expensive ones always end up with them.
  • Love the quote as well "I saw a stamp just like this on Ebay for $5,000". Note it doesn't say "I saw a stamp just like this on eBay SELL for $5,000". Most likely it's a bogus listing and he really does have a box full of them that match it... (My guess is probably something carmine with Washington on it. :)
  • That's why when I am in doubt I do full research along with past selling prices!
    Just about every site I seen some type of scam happening it's up to members n administrators to keep things fair n report such miss leading listings!
  • edited October 2021 0 LikesVote Down
    This wasn't on Hipstamp.
    But I saw this recently on that other auction site.
    From a notorious top seller.

    Sold the 1992 Columbian reissues, removed from their souvenir sheets, for $330.
    Notice that no Scott #'s were used, and the warranty is only if the stamps are not as described. So technically there was no lie. The buyer got what they see.

    It really bothered me.


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/313671202431?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&pageci=213d62ff-9d25-4e79-9ba9-1880bc40e1ab&redirect=mobile&nma=true&si=1YaIiRLY47iK3jx02u2mzzaABB4%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
  • edited October 2021 1 LikesVote Down
    Scott,

    The item is definitely # 209 and it has been relisted so I sent a report to HipStamp.

    Alan,

    The idiot who bought the 4 Columbians is a moron and on top of that it was sold by a reputable company and it was listed under US 1941 - now unused.

    Now I know there are shill bidders on eBay (it has been a problem for at least 15 to 20 years. If you look at the bids it kind of looks that way. There was also one bid redacted but eBay will never tell you who that was.
  • edited October 2021 0 LikesVote Down
    On another stampboard discussion group there was a rather long five page discussion about some "very dodgy listing practice" of the seller of the columbian reissues.

    The seller defended themselves by saying they have teams that take apart collections
    then catalog stamps for resale. And they don't have the time to verify every stamp.
  • Yeah, that's just lame. "We don't care if we're ripping you off if your naïve enough to get scammed by us". Nice business practice.
  • edited October 2021 0 LikesVote Down
    Alan, a similar set bit me a few years back. I didn't realize the post office re-printed the Columbians. I don't collect us stamps that new. My fault a little for not staying in the know but ebay basically replied with - Yeah but you bought them, the seller disappeared. Fortunately it didn't cost me a bunch of money to learn the lesson. That set to me look like the newer issue.

    Please people, I dont know all there is to know and a lot of you people scare me with what you do know. Im glad to say Im learning. If you ever see one of my listings and think WOW BULLSHIT, please call me to the mat. I don't want to be that guy.
  • Alan J: "The seller defended themselves by saying they have teams that take apart collections then catalog stamps for resale. And they don't have the time to verify every stamp."

    Yeah, right. And they're not at all concerned with the possibility of their know-nothings listing a true rarity as a common item.



  • I've bought from that "big company" being referenced that sold the Columbian reprints...I'm a little surprised by how stupid that listing is. BUT everything I have purchased has been carefully vetted by myself and they have been responsive when queried. Maybe they've gotten too big? On occasion there have been some good deals listed and it seems they just want to move inventory. BUT ultimately they are responsible for scam listings.
  • edited October 2021 0 LikesVote Down
    We haven't mentioned that there were 86 bids on the Columbian auction. So there were at least two folks competing to be the greater fool. Also, with 86 bids, the opening bid would have been quite low.

    There's nothing good to be said about any if this. It's a lousy thing for any business to do, but there were a couple of folks who thought that they were taking advantage of it, regardless of their inexperience at philately. And no one is going to stop an auction.

    Whoever ended up with this fine set of modern Columbians, I hope they could afford the lesson they learned.
  • Phil,
    I took a look at the starting bid which was 1c, I guess the bidders up to $5.00 or $6.00 dollars caused the havoc.
  • There were 10 different bidders, all active for well into overpriced territory.
  • I'm new to Hipstamp and only fairly recently have I started buying stamps online.
    Before the lockdown, I've been fortunate enough to live in a city that had a half dozen dealer shows a year. I've trusted on faith that all those hoary headed dealers are not misrepresenting their stamps. It's a small community, they wouldn't last long if they did.

    To Rene B., I purchased some stamps from that dealer also. They were priced right, they respond to questions, and they ship fast. They tend to ship first class with discount postage on the envelope. That doesn't bother me.

    But after I saw how they sold those Columbian reissues, I did a quick Google search and saw a heated discussion about them on stampboards, I had to get my loupe and perf gauge out to examine them closely. Even then I marked them as suspect and in my eyes it devalues the stamps, and in turn devalues my collection.
  • That company knew what they were doing when they listed those Columbian reissues. The scan was very poor quality, quite low resolution than their other listings. Speaking of big shady dealers, I recently received a mailing from a big dealer in NYC (also sells on HipStamp), and the flag stamp on the envelope was one of those bogus coils.
  • edited October 2021 0 LikesVote Down
    I have a friend who once worked for a man that would go to China and bring back a container full of busted up antique furniture.

    His job was to deconstruct them, then rebuild furniture pieces with the parts.
    To the untrained eye, they looked like authentic Chinese antiques.
    This man saw nothing wrong with this because he was selling them for a fraction of the price of a real antique.

    The people he bought the junk from were happy, his customers were happy, he was happy. What was the problem?

    But in my eye, it was just wrong.
  • https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/united-states-hawaii-1857-king-kamehameha-iii-used/41670145

    Some forgeries are collectible but the post marks on this one well and everything else scream fake! Caveat Emptor…
  • Hundreds of dubious eBay listings are publicized by www.stampboards.com , an excellent resource based in Australia.
  • edited October 2021 2 LikesVote Down
    I contacted the seller of a few items , including the seller of the Columbian debacles. The fellow who sold the Hawaii stamps immediately sought advice ( he's selling off an inherited collection), and was genuinely apologetic, taking down another stamp that was "iffy". I suspect that many who post and sell big gaffs are not malicious, but lack knowledge. On the other hand , the prominent big seller has raised my concern because they know better for sure. If the NY folks respond, I will let you know.
  • Bravo, Bravo.
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